tob or trans?

[BadMoFo]

ok so latley the tob has started to squeek. it probably doesnt help that the guy who had this car before me rigged the quadrant and clutch cable with a couple of nuts to take up slack. well anyways as you are driving the car the longer you drive it the harder it gets to shift. and all the way to the point where you have to force the car into any gear. so I am wondering if its just cause the tob is worn out or the trans is going?

guy claimed it was a world class t5 but it looks like its leaking fluid and not very new like he claimed.

[Silver91Hatch]

Sounds like the pilot bearing is toast. Just did one today. Its not allowing the input shaft to turn inside the crank and that keeps the cluster shaft turning an d won't slow down the speed gears with the blocking rings. Will it go into 4th then down shift threw the gears??

[SVTSkip]

I'd be suspecting the pilot bearing as well. Sounds like the guy sold you a bill of goods on that tranny...

[93fakesnake]

Just throw you a TKO 600 in it

[nitrostangracin]

Pilot could be the culprit. As you drive the car longer does the cable/peddle effort sem to get harder?

If you can get under the car and get me a tag ID number, I can tell you specifically what trans you have.


Either way, I would highly consider installing a new Quadrant kit and install it properly. They are very precise materials that only create issues if rigged.

[BadMoFo]

Sounds like the pilot bearing is toast. Just did one today. Its not allowing the input shaft to turn inside the crank and that keeps the cluster shaft turning an d won't slow down the speed gears with the blocking rings. Will it go into 4th then down shift threw the gears??

it still goes into all gears but hard after driving.


Pilot could be the culprit. As you drive the car longer does the cable/peddle effort sem to get harder?

If you can get under the car and get me a tag ID number, I can tell you specifically what trans you have.


Either way, I would highly consider installing a new Quadrant kit and install it properly. They are very precise materials that only create issues if rigged.


yes the pedal gets harder and harder to use. and you have to put it ALL the way to the floor to shift.

I plan on putting in a new cable, quadrant, and probably firewall adjuster. just dont know what kind. when I had the cobra fiore was the best on the market but people might suggest something else for a 5.0

I figured it was the tob but wanted to make sure. guess I will have to speed up plans to visit chuck as I know you will have to remove at least x pipe in my case and its welded to the catback. I have new h pipe and catback in the other room and need to have those put on when the old crap comes off.

[nitrostangracin]

it still goes into all gears but hard after driving.





yes the pedal gets harder and harder to use. and you have to put it ALL the way to the floor to shift.

I plan on putting in a new cable, quadrant, and probably firewall adjuster. just dont know what kind. when I had the cobra fiore was the best on the market but people might suggest something else for a 5.0

I figured it was the tob but wanted to make sure. guess I will have to speed up plans to visit chuck as I know you will have to remove at least x pipe in my case and its welded to the catback. I have new h pipe and catback in the other room and need to have those put on when the old crap comes off.



Steeda makes an excellent kit. With the pedal getting harder as the car gets hotter then you might have damaged the clutch also. Pilot Bearing or Throw Out Bearing are not going to be temp sensitive.

[BadMoFo]

hmm not what I want to hear

[BadMoFo]

ok now its all the time, not just the longer you drive it. as soon as you start the car you have to force your way into every gear. but when the car is off it slides in like butter. I really think the way the guy rigged the quadrant and cable it has slipped or something.

what do you all think? and what kind of quadrant/cable, and possibly firewall adjuster do you all recomend? upr? steeda? other?

and could a rookie like me change it with basic tools and jackstands?

[Wayne's 88 GT]

what do you all think? and what kind of quadrant/cable, and possibly firewall adjuster do you all recomend? upr? steeda? other?

and could a rookie like me change it with basic tools and jackstands?

Well as far as a rookie doing it....I dont have any first hand knowledge on how to do it...but if you could handle doing a heater core you prob can handle the quadrant and cable.

[nastynotchback1]

i can sell you the upr kit with the triple hook quadrent for 80.00 shipped.you def. need to replace thses parts first but if you are still having problems after that you can almost bet the pp will be the culprit.

[XSR]

It sounds alot like the clutch to me, as it is getting worse. Either way you are going to be removing the trans, and clutch, so go ahead and replace the pilot bearing if it needs it. The quadrant may get you buy alittle longer, as it'll allow you to get alittle more travel out of the system. But, in the end, I'm going with the clutch system!

[BadMoFo]

ok so whats a good clutch for streetability? nothing special about the car now just a old 5.0. its my daily driver right now. also think I should replace flywheel when the time comes to?

[BadMoFo]

oh also heard that mm or stock cable is the best?

[nitrostangracin]

oh also heard that mm or stock cable is the best?



Maximum Motorsports is a Suspension Company. All of a suden they start selling drivetrain stuff and they have saved the world? Sorry, but every time I hear that it boils my blood. How come every Transmission Shop that specializes in Manual Transmissions suggests an adjustable cable?

Personally I have installed hundreds of quadrant kits and have only had 1 cable failure years ago. Bottom line is if it is installed and adjusted properly, you will have no issues.

[nitrostangracin]

ok so whats a good clutch for streetability? nothing special about the car now just a old 5.0. its my daily driver right now. also think I should replace flywheel when the time comes to?



Clutch chice depends on performance output. I have many to choose from. The King Cobra is an excellent deal and has great streetability. Other than that there are Mcleod, SPEC, etc. Like I stated though, it is really based on the needs of the car.

For the flywheel, it is suggested to at least resurface it to make sure the mating surface to the clutch disc is 100% perfect. A stock replacement Flywheel runs just about 100.00

[nastynotchback1]

if you are making close to stock power and have no power upgrades planned i would just go with a ram or fms clutch that is close to a stock clutch

[BadMoFo]

oh I plan on power adders, bigger motor, ect. but that is a long, long, looooooooong way off. (read: when I win lottery) so as for right now stockish clutch would probably work best. as far as flywheel was leaning towards alum?

and as far as maximum having a good cable I did alot of research when I was doing the clutch work in my cobra and also did numerous searches on the other forums I am on (bones, chuck, and a few others can attest to the numerous other sites I am on, probably around 40) and every post I have read comes down to buy the mm or the stock ford cable. and a few posts even suggest that the mm one is a ford piece.

now dont get me wrong, I am not one of those "I read it on the web so it must be true" people. and I have not had an adj cable to see, but alot of post I read were people talking about them breaking or not lasting a long time. I just dont like buying the same part more then once. thats the only reason I put it out there so I can get alot of peoples views so I dont make the wrong choice now when I am researching what I need.

[nitrostangracin]

oh I plan on power adders, bigger motor, ect. but that is a long, long, looooooooong way off. (read: when I win lottery) so as for right now stockish clutch would probably work best. as far as flywheel was leaning towards alum?

and as far as maximum having a good cable I did alot of research when I was doing the clutch work in my cobra and also did numerous searches on the other forums I am on (bones, chuck, and a few others can attest to the numerous other sites I am on, probably around 40) and every post I have read comes down to buy the mm or the stock ford cable. and a few posts even suggest that the mm one is a ford piece.

now dont get me wrong, I am not one of those "I read it on the web so it must be true" people. and I have not had an adj cable to see, but alot of post I read were people talking about them breaking or not lasting a long time. I just dont like buying the same part more then once. thats the only reason I put it out there so I can get alot of peoples views so I dont make the wrong choice now when I am researching what I need.

I fully understand what you are saying. I am not trying to force you to buy an adjustable cable. I am actually a Maximum Motorsports Distributor so I can help you when the time comes. I can tell you from first hand experience that what causes the cable to break is improper adjustment or improper installation. At the level you are at, you can go with either. When you start going with more of a performance clutch type kit, you have to use adjustable to get proper Air Gap for the clutch.

Let me know if I can help you out at all.

I also have Aluminum Flywheels. I don't think Aluminum would really benefit you at this point. Somewhat costly and you unfortunately won't see much benefit.

[BadMoFo]

ok this is what I am working with now. sorry for the crummy pics, digi cam didnt want to focus under the dash. but its 4 nuts holding the tension on the end of the cable on an aftermarket alum quadrant.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll285/jrunruh/SDC10131.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll285/jrunruh/SDC10126.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll285/jrunruh/SDC10124.jpg

there is also a nut on the clutch fork and cable, does that adjust the cable any?

[BadMoFo]

oh and if anyone has a write up and pics to help swap this mess(clutch cable, quadrant) out that would greatly help. will probably make up my mind sometime this weekend with what I need to buy.

[Badass1993]

Josh,it looks as if the guy who owned the car put in a zoom quadrant(advance auto) in the car and rigged it to work....i suggest changing that thing asap.....Plus those thing are noctorious for the cables stretching and binding up due to normal engine heat......I'm almost willing to bet the cable is the culprit here.....not allowing full engagment of the clutch disc.......

As far as a DD clutch.....I have always run centerforce DF in my cars....a bit pricey yes,but good luck tearing one out......and it still retians the stock pedal feel if not a little less......I'd run a UPR quadrant,with a stock cable(nothing beets a genuine quality ford clutch cable)Give me a few weeks to get the 95 back up and running,and i might have you a Centerforce DF cheap...with 200-300 miles on it:thumbsup1:

[BadMoFo]

ya I have found alot of autozone/advance auto junk on the car so far. anyone know a ood place to order stock ford cable? also on upr quadrant they have triple hook and speed release, which one?

also after researching firewall adjusters feeling the fiore piece. no set screws or lock nuts to fiddle with just turn and go. worked great on my 03 cobra.

[BadMoFo]

ok well it let go this morning. pushed on the clutch and it felt weird. would not go into gear. looked on the floorboard and one of the nuts the guy used to hold tension on the cable fell off. so like I said guess I will be ordering parts this weekend. but until then I got to rig it back up. so...

is there a way to ease the tension off the cable so I can slip that nut back on behind the quadrant. figure I only need it to work till next weekend. have to have a car for work.

[BadMoFo]

ok fellas lets get on this, gotta work tomarrow so need to know this info for when I get off work lol

[crumbie]

I have a stock cable (broke my adjustable one) and upr firewall adjuster and triple hook quadrant. Install really isn't that bad other than laying on your back to take the quadrant off. and install is easy for me b/c i can adjust the firewall adjust to leave a lot of slack in the cable to get it onto the adjuster, then adjust the cable tension with the firewall adjuster so that the clutch will engage/disengage where i want it.

someone also told me to put a little bit of engine oil on the cable and work it down the cable. will help lube it up and keep it smooth.

[BadMoFo]

is there a way to ease the tension off the cable so i can slip that nut back on behind the quadrant. Figure i only need it to work till next weekend. Have to have a car for work.



anyone?

[nitrostangracin]

anyone?

PM Me a number I can call you at.

[BadMoFo]

PM Me a number I can call you at.

FUDGE! anything else wanna go wrong. left my dang cell at work in my lunch box. forgot about it cause I was asking around for a ride home.:angry:

[BadMoFo]

there is a jam nut onthe cable where it goes into the underside of the car in the clutch fork, will adjusting that do anything?

[BadMoFo]

also looking it seems that upr triple hook is the better one?

[nitrostangracin]

there is a jam nut onthe cable where it goes into the underside of the car in the clutch fork, will adjusting that do anything?

That is the adjuster nit for the cable. Is there a second nut to lock it down? Is there also a firewall adjuster?

[BadMoFo]

no only a single nut. should be 2 on there.

no firewall adjuster. will also get ordered this weekend. I just need to get this thing rolling for tomarrow and probably next week. I am off sun and mon thank God.

[nitrostangracin]

no only a single nut. should be 2 on there.

no firewall adjuster. will also get ordered this weekend. I just need to get this thing rolling for tomarrow and probably next week. I am off sun and mon thank God.

Can I call you at home? Just much easier to try and help without playing tag here on the site.

[BadMoFo]

only got a cell, havent had a home phone in about 5 years. after I got my cell the home phone was like throwing cash out the window, never got used. kind of like my gym membership, lol

[nitrostangracin]

What nu fell off from under the dash?

As for adusting it, you can back off the adjuster nut under the car and then put the cable back on the quadrant and re adjust the cable. I am just not understanding what nut you are talking about. Ther is no nut needed for a quadrant install under the dash.

[BadMoFo]

you are correct, there is not supposed to be a nut there. but there was so much slack in the cable the guy used a bunch of nuts, cut a notch out of them so they look like a "C" and put them on there as a spacer. downloading photo.

[BadMoFo]

basicly I need to loosen the cable enough as if I was going to hook it over the quadrant.

[nitrostangracin]

basicly I need to loosen the cable enough as if I was going to hook it over the quadrant.

Yes. Based on the pics you have in previous posts the cable is deffinitely an issue. Those nuts just don't need to be there. How far in is the adjustment on the bottom end?

[BadMoFo]

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll285/jrunruh/SDC10133.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll285/jrunruh/SDC10134.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll285/jrunruh/SDC10135.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll285/jrunruh/SDC10131-1.jpg

[BadMoFo]

wow those look worse online then they do on the camera

[BadMoFo]

he used 4 of those nuts to tak up the slack

[nitrostangracin]

he used 4 of those nuts to tak up the slack

I would somehow try and get that nut back in there and then attempt to adjust the cable. I would also suggest to drive as little as possible as you will damage the cutch and possible trans also.

Let me know when you are ready to order what you need.

[BadMoFo]

thats what I am trying to do is figure out how to get the nut on there. I figure if I get some slack I can slide the nut on there and then tighten the cable back up.

as for ordering I am going to get a stock ford cable, and fiore firewall adjuster. but I will get a upr triple hook quadrant. how much for it?

[nitrostangracin]

thats what I am trying to do is figure out how to get the nut on there. I figure if I get some slack I can slide the nut on there and then tighten the cable back up.

as for ordering I am going to get a stock ford cable, and fiore firewall adjuster. but I will get a upr triple hook quadrant. how much for it?

The Quadrant alone is not expensive. Why a stock cable though?

[BadMoFo]

just did tons and tons of research and everyone swears by it. say its the strongest one out there, which is suprising for a ford part. and at my power level wont be needing more adjustment then a firewall adj for a long time.

[nitrostangracin]

just did tons and tons of research and everyone swears by it. say its the strongest one out there, which is suprising for a ford part. and at my power level wont be needing more adjustment then a firewall adj for a long time.



Oh OK. Just asking. The Stock cable is alot more expensive than aftermarket.

[BadMoFo]

Oh OK. Just asking. The Stock cable is alot more expensive than aftermarket.

so I noticed. if I am going to do it might as well do it right. usually if something breaks I try to upgrade to a nicer part. that way I only have to do this once.

dont get me wrong like to save money but also want a quality piece. and something that has alot of good reviews.

[BadMoFo]

hey did I mention it cold outside? I need a garage. and some jackstands, or ramps

[crumbie]

are you just trying to get slack off the cable so you can take the cable off the quadrant?? if so - didn't you say this was an adjustable cable? if it's an adjustable cable then crawl underneath the car and take the nuts off the end of the cable where it connects to the shift fork. should be two - nut and jam nut. that will give you slack.

[BadMoFo]

there is no jam nut. but I guess its an adjustable. it has a metal threded shaft end going threw the clutch fork with a nut on one side.

[BadMoFo]

here is just one of the things I read from lots of hours of searching. pretty much says what hundreds of other stang owners said.


"We have done a lot of research on clutch cables, buying and testing almost every different cable on the market we could find. We have found after all this investigation, that the OEM Ford Clutch Cables are the best quality cables available. They have a multi-material, layered construction that provides better heat, friction and collapsibility protection than all the aftermarket cables we dissected. With that in mind, we have begun selling all year ranges of factory cables, for those customers that demand a cable that will last."

and this is comming from a company that also makes their own cable.

[crumbie]

there is no jam nut. but I guess its an adjustable. it has a metal threded shaft end going threw the clutch fork with a nut on one side.

well if that's the case, then take all that mess off the end of the cable at the quadrant end and hook in like it should hook. then thread that nut in on the fork side until your clutch is adjusted right.

then order a new stock cable and install it next week.

[BadMoFo]

got it enough to get me to work and back tomarrow, will hit it on sun. got to find a place to order a cable from. found one place but it sells for $174.00?

[crumbie]

if you take that junk off the quadrant end and adjust the nut at the clutch fork then it should be okay. anytime you can't get the car into gear sitting still but it will go into gear while moving that points to a clutch cable adjustment problem. drive it tomorrow and see where the engage/disengage point is when you push the pedal in. then adjust the nut from there. i like mine at the top for quick shifting at the track, but let it out some for daily driving to keep pressure off the cable.

you should be able to find it A LOT cheaper than 174. good lord. try 50resto or somewhere like that. i think my was 60-70ish.

[BadMoFo]

50resto is where I found the 174. the have what they call the "stock" cable but it is not a ford piece

[BadMoFo]

also the end that is on the quadrant is ate up from the nuts so who knows how long that will last. so figure better fix it now before I end up like this again. was planning on ordering parts this weekend but car beat me to the punch.

[crumbie]

yeah i broke my adjustable cable in half where it hooked at the quadrant. i think it was rubbing the quadrant and popped it. i also have the old upr firewall adjuster and i believe they have a new one that i'd advise on getting. i think it uses like 4 bolts to hold it to the firewall to keep it from rubbing the cable and breaking it.

keep shopping around for the ford cable. i can't remember where i got mine from but 174 is just wayyy too much. call a dealer and see what their price is.

[SVTSkip]

When I get back home from the boat at the end of the month I can see what my price is on a factory cable. Tallahassee Ford still gives me employee price on stuff. If they have one for cheap, I'll grab it and bring it along on my way to Virginia Beach the next day...

[BadMoFo]

ok ran into a buddy on base who had an extra cable so set there. now need to order firewall adjuster and quadrant. and now that I think of it I had a steeda double hook on my 03 cobra that I took off to replace with fiore piece. going to have to go threw all my boxes to see if I still got it.

[BadMoFo]

ok raining so no work on the stang today. but was thinking. where the clutch cable hooks into the clutch fork is there supposed to be a cover over that or is that window exposed at all times? I know there was a cover on my t56 trans.

[nitrostangracin]

Yes, there is supposed to be a cover there.

[BadMoFo]

thats what I thought. where can I get one of those?

[crumbie]

yeah there is usually a dust cover. just roll w/o one - will keep the trans cooler ;)

[BadMoFo]

been rolling without one sine I got it I guess, saves weight for racing:lol1: