Speaking of tunes anyone have problems with pro-dyno

[GTforever]

I just recently had a tune done on my car because of no low end takeoff and fuel mix and the tune didn't do a darn thing for me, I was actually very dissapointed and at a loss of 479.00 for the tune plus an additional trip due to the bad tune,I complained about the expense of the extra trip and spending half a day being told I had all these things wrong with my car until his mechanic discovered that all the problems were in the tune itself,apparently he misenetered some numbers or bad file was the excuse I got,after he supposedly retuned the car,it drove and performed exactly as it did before he initially tuned it,so no improvements whatsoever,now are agreement is for me to either mail or bring back his chip and I will get HALF of my money back after he gaurenteed me on the phone my car would run 100 % better than it was at the time prior to any tuning.I thought I might be okay getting half my money back but the more I think about it the more it just chaps my *** that actually I won't have a darn thing to show for over 500.00 spent in gas and tuning for his mistakes,on top of that being told apparemtly my car has other ISSUES,what would you do,I need a little opions to guide me in the right direction,Thanks

[Notch93]

Dan tuned my car, I have no complaints at all, he picked up my HP & TQ #'s.

[NC STANG GUY]

Can't say I've had any trouble with Pro Dyno. Had my 89 vert done twice(two different combos),my old 03 cobra and my dads 99 F250 PS.

What are the other issues they said the car had?

[Spyder]

shouldda when't to rick at amazon or mark at stable both tha boom

[GTforever]

Thats just it he doesn't know,I don't guess he even took the time to figure that one out,I forgot to mention this is a fuel injected,no real powere adders to mention type engine,but you don't tell a customer your going to gaureentee a 100 % improvement then not deliver and expect the customer to pay for your mistakes.Personally I think Dans a good guy,but in this case I feel I'm being done bad wrong.My car doesn't run bad by anymeans,never really has,I just had issues with air fuel and the lack of low end power which apparently he's not experianced enough to address,also since the retune mu plugs are back to the llean look they had before he did the initial,so one has to wonder what did he really do........

[GTforever]

Thats just it he doesn't know,I don't guess he even took the time to figure that one out,I forgot to mention this is a fuel injected,no real powere adders to mention type engine,but you don't tell a customer your going to gaureentee a 100 % improvement then not deliver and expect the customer to pay for your mistakes.Personally I think Dans a good guy,but in this case I feel I'm being done bad wrong.My car doesn't run bad by anymeans,never really has,I just had issues with air fuel and the lack of low end power which apparently he's not experianced enough to address,also since the retune mu plugs are back to the llean look they had before he did the initial,so one has to wonder what did he really do........

[Bizarro]

Ive said it before AN I'LL SAY IT AGAIN!!!


http://stablellc.com/9index.html :thumbsup1:

[cobra_4]

Amazon Racing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :patriot:

Or Stable. Either way you can't go wrong.

[Blue Hatch]

I wouldn't let Pro-dyno tune my lawn mower, but that's just me. I think Dan is an azz....

[91svtcoupe]

I wouldn't let Pro-dyno tune my lawn mower, but that's just me. I think Dan is an azz....



:lol1:

[GTforever]

Well,guess I'm the azz now,thats just a darned hard lesson to have to learn from then come out of it with absolutely nothing,just wonder if any other tuners can add to that chip or reprogram or do I have to start all over again.I have read where some chips can hold up to 4 different tunes,it's an SCT chip..............

[topend]

I would let ray charles tune my **** before pro-dyno. Everytime you see a pro-dyno car at mooresville they are bragging about how much power it made. Then after the run it turns into excuses as to why it went 82mph.

[boosted89]

I doubt any tuner is going to pick up much power, if any, on a street n/a 5.0. Just my opinion, but a custom tune is a huge waste of money on most n/a street 5 liters. In the other thread it sounds like the issue is a combo mismatch, which no tuner can overcome. I personally wouldn't waste any more money on the tune.

[topend]

I doubt any tuner is going to pick up much power, if any, on a street n/a 5.0. Just my opinion, but a custom tune is a huge waste of money on most n/a street 5 liters. In the other thread it sounds like the issue is a combo mismatch, which no tuner can overcome. I personally wouldn't waste any more money on the tune.truth.com

This dumb fock tried to say the reason his solid roller h/c/i 347 with a stalled auto was going 82mph was because it needed a chip and tune from prodyno. I lol'd and proceded to rape his pile of poo. :thumbsup1:

[Stable]

I doubt any tuner is going to pick up much power, if any, on a street n/a 5.0.

there is not a lot of max hp...but you can find area under the curve....

You said you were having A/F problems? lean plugs? Color of a plug that has been ran for sometime is not a good way to judge how lean/fat a motor is....the only way to tell with them is on a new plugs, full power hit, and the shut the motor off. On most of our stuff, after a hit on a new plug and shut down, there will be no "color" on the plug, the strap will show color for the timing, and the only "color" that will be on the plug will be down inside of the plug, where you have to cut it apart to see it

[nastynotchback1]

I doubt any tuner is going to pick up much power, if any, on a street n/a 5.0. Just my opinion, but a custom tune is a huge waste of money on most n/a street 5 liters. In the other thread it sounds like the issue is a combo mismatch, which no tuner can overcome. I personally wouldn't waste any more money on the tune.

This is what they all say when they look at overall numbers.Most folks can't read something as simple as a dyno chart.

[Derek@amazon]

This is what they all say when they look at overall numbers.Most folks can't read something as simple as a dyno chart.

yup! peak numbers are for dyno queens and poopras

best way to descibe what your looking for is larger area under the graph

[wsd91stang]

As far as Amazon goes, I have personally seen two of their engines melt down from being too lean and too much timing in the tune:thumbsdown1:...it happens sometimes...have also had to fix issues that have come from there.....rick seems like a nice guy and everyone has problems with this and that.... Jeff at Mo's has made some slamming numbers with very safe tunes.... At least a few should be at the track day on the 24th that have been tuned by Jeff......and there is a little HP to be made on stock setup but you are right, its not a ton......see you guys in 3 weeks:thumbsup1:

[GTforever]

Thats what a friend and I am goignto do next,I went to Pro Dyno on the advice of some of those I felt new better than I did,and I was concerned with the A/F,I told Dan I didn't care about Dyno numbers or the latter,but he never should have made a gaurentee that he could make my car run 100 % better either,now I see where his truths lie and I'm just out the money,lesson learned,but I won't have any good referals for him either,they say a person will believe a lie before the truth because it sounds so much more convincing,man he's good,LOL

there is not a lot of max hp...but you can find area under the curve....

You said you were having A/F problems? lean plugs? Color of a plug that has been ran for sometime is not a good way to judge how lean/fat a motor is....the only way to tell with them is on a new plugs, full power hit, and the shut the motor off. On most of our stuff, after a hit on a new plug and shut down, there will be no "color" on the plug, the strap will show color for the timing, and the only "color" that will be on the plug will be down inside of the plug, where you have to cut it apart to see it

[boostedcoupe]

STABLE FTW!!!:thumbsup1:

[boosted89]

This is what they all say when they look at overall numbers.Most folks can't read something as simple as a dyno chart.
So you're saying a typical N/A street 5.0 will pick up enough power under the curve to justify a $600 custom tune???

[mikeextrafast]

iam gona be needing a tune on my dart 347 with billet 76 soon not sure who to goto now

[Blue Hatch]

iam gona be needing a tune on my dart 347 with billet 76 soon not sure who to goto now

Pete @ HED is where i'd go...

[topend]

Pete @ HED is where i'd go... anybody else and you are asking for fail.

Hed = win.

[88mouse]

Pete @ HED is where i'd go...

anybody else and you are asking for fail.

Hed = win.

HED FTW

Edit here is some of there work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2aGCGE5zsE

[Stable]

you need to check pricing and results with other Vendors..........and 600.00 for a tune on a stock car is way out of line

[crumbie]

stable FTW

[nastynotchback1]

So you're saying a typical N/A street 5.0 will pick up enough power under the curve to justify a $600 custom tune???

NO What i'm saying is you will pick up enough power to justify a normal 450.00 tune.600.00 is over priced.

[boosted89]

Good grief, I just threw out a number. He spent $500 if you want to get technical. How much hp under the curve can someone expect to gain on a typical naturally aspirated street combo like his for that amount?

[Stable]

Good grief, I just threw out a number. He spent $500 if you want to get technical. How much hp under the curve can someone expect to gain on a typical naturally aspirated street combo like his for that amount?

Thats hard to say as it depends on the condition of the car. Again 500.00 is over priced for tuning a A9x cpu on a "stock" mustang. But on a "stock" car you will be able to lean out the idle , IE get ride of the fuel smell. Also adjust the MA transfer function to get it right. And a few other things...timing,idle, etc.
Is it worth tuning a stock car? Each persons level of what they will live with is different.
We tune very few "stock" cars, as most have at least H/C/I...Most H/C/I cars will put down something in the 280-310 hp range at the tires...a few will put down more, and a very few will do less.

[thegreatord]

Thats hard to say as it depends on the condition of the car. Again 500.00 is over priced for tuning a A9x cpu on a "stock" mustang. But on a "stock" car you will be able to lean out the idle , IE get ride of the fuel smell. Also adjust the MA transfer function to get it right. And a few other things...timing,idle, etc.
Is it worth tuning a stock car? Each persons level of what they will live with is different.
We tune very few "stock" cars, as most have at least H/C/I...Most H/C/I cars will put down something in the 280-310 hp range at the tires...a few will put down more, and a very few will do less.

im glad to hear that cause my goal with the new setup is 300 rwhp

[puttputt]

I used Stable to tune my car. He is the only one I would trust to touch my car.:thumbsup1:

[thegreatord]

I used Stable to tune my car. He is the only one I would trust to touch my car.:thumbsup1:

i might take it up to him during tax time if i can get shawn to do a 5 lug and rear disc install for me.

my question for the guy in this post is what intake is he running because i couldnt find that in the list of stuff he has done.

[nastynotchback1]

Good grief, I just threw out a number. He spent $500 if you want to get technical. How much hp under the curve can someone expect to gain on a typical naturally aspirated street combo like his for that amount?

I didn't gain alot in the bottom but the midrange was were i got the most.The torque gain was great and very noticable by the seat of the pants.The drivablilty was so much better and peak numbers i picked up about 20hp cant remember the tq number.all in all on a dynojet it put down 335 to the wheels peak power.Car ran 7.60 in the 1/8th n/a and went 92mph.

[boosted89]

I didn't gain alot in the bottom but the midrange was were i got the most.The torque gain was great and very noticable by the seat of the pants.The drivablilty was so much better and peak numbers i picked up about 20hp cant remember the tq number.all in all on a dynojet it put down 335 to the wheels peak power.Car ran 7.60 in the 1/8th n/a and went 92mph.
20hp isn't a bad gain, but how much of that could have been picked up from maximizing base timing and adjusting fuel pressure? I guess my whole argument is the stock pcm timing and fuel curves probably aren't going to be that far off for a naturally aspirated HCI combo, and you can pick up enough with a timing light and a fp guage to negate any real need for a custom chip. I can definitely see your point when you get into large injectors and power adders, but even then I'm still one of those tightwads who just holds the gas to the mat to get it to crank hot.

[Stable]

Anything that increases air flow will cause the mass air transfer function to get farther off than it was...yes the maf will adjust for it, but if it is off from the start, it will be off even more with increased air flow. Again, its just how picky the tuner wants to be when adjusting the mass air flow tranfer function.....As a loose rule, you only need a "tune" if you increase air flow, ie cam,heads,intake......If you are just changing TB and EGR...nope. I can get off on a side note how the stock TB is good for most setups as it keeps the air speed up in the motor, but that a whole different thing.....

[boosted89]

Anything that increases air flow will cause the mass air transfer function to get farther off than it was...yes the maf will adjust for it, but if it is off from the start, it will be off even more with increased air flow. Again, its just how picky the tuner wants to be when adjusting the mass air flow tranfer function.....As a loose rule, you only need a "tune" if you increase air flow, ie cam,heads,intake......If you are just changing TB and EGR...nope. I can get off on a side note how the stock TB is good for most setups as it keeps the air speed up in the motor, but that a whole different thing.....Thats why some cars run great with a C&L maf and others run like a$$ probably (driveability-wise). I'm with you on the TB thing...a bigger TB can kill hp on most mild n/a combos. I still only run a 65mm on mine with a mild HCI and a turbo.

[nastynotchback1]

20hp isn't a bad gain, but how much of that could have been picked up from maximizing base timing and adjusting fuel pressure? I guess my whole argument is the stock pcm timing and fuel curves probably aren't going to be that far off for a naturally aspirated HCI combo, and you can pick up enough with a timing light and a fp guage to negate any real need for a custom chip. I can definitely see your point when you get into large injectors and power adders, but even then I'm still one of those tightwads who just holds the gas to the mat to get it to crank hot.

I did do the timing/fp adjust thing. in all honesty the maf change from a c&l 76mm to a lightning 90mm did the most for me during the tuning process.The car put down peak hp number of 289 before the chip and it put down 308(if i remember right) after the tune on a mustang dyno.

[GTforever]

i might take it up to him during tax time if i can get shawn to do a 5 lug and rear disc install for me.

my question for the guy in this post is what intake is he running because i couldnt find that in the list of stuff he has done.

I have a polished aluminum FRPP CObra intake,matched with a 70 mm throttle body,the thing that gut me when one of you was referring to adjusting air/fuel and such,is the first tune I got was totally bad and I couldnb't keep the car running for almost a week till Dan coiuld reschedule,after that and he did the socalled retune,it was like the car was never touched,just like when I initially brought it to him and the gas smell is really bad,of course I was told that was because of lack of cats ?????,again,lesson learned so any of you new guys do your homework as we still haven't come to a resolve over what was/wasn't done for me,thanks for the input guys,R

[GTforever]

Thats hard to say as it depends on the condition of the car. Again 500.00 is over priced for tuning a A9x cpu on a "stock" mustang. But on a "stock" car you will be able to lean out the idle , IE get ride of the fuel smell. Also adjust the MA transfer function to get it right. And a few other things...timing,idle, etc.
Is it worth tuning a stock car? Each persons level of what they will live with is different.
We tune very few "stock" cars, as most have at least H/C/I...Most H/C/I cars will put down something in the 280-310 hp range at the tires...a few will put down more, and a very few will do less.

Stable,when he did my initial tune it's like he took my TPS and IAC completely out of the loop and once I got in to local driving idle was everywhere and I had to continously pull over to keep adjusting idle just so I could drive the darn thing,my timing when brought was 14 degrees adv,actually 12 cause when the guy that did my motor set the cam 2 degrees for more bottom end,heck I'm sorry I started all this drama,I just needed some input,thanks again fella's

[Stable]

Stable,when he did my initial tune it's like he took my TPS and IAC completely out of the loop and once I got in to local driving idle was everywhere and I had to continously pull over to keep adjusting idle just so I could drive the darn thing,my timing when brought was 14 degrees adv,actually 12 cause when the guy that did my motor set the cam 2 degrees for more bottom end,heck I'm sorry I started all this drama,I just needed some input,thanks again fella's

Cam timing is different than ignition timing......the cam timing is when the valves are opening and closing in referance to the position of the crank. Ignition timing is when the plug fires in referance to the location of the pistion,ie position odf the crank.
Check your TPS voltage with the switch on but the motor not running....has to be less than 1 volt......

[stu11926]

Hey Stable,

Do you have any experience with a Moates Quarterhorse and Clint Garrity's Binary Editor and EEC Analyzer software? I'm using that on my 408w powered Mustang, but don't know enough about the tuning to get things properly dialed in. I'm trying to find a tuner that is willing to work with that software as opposed to burning a chip for the car.

Thanks,

Jonathan

[Stable]

I use it most of the time....get the tune happy using the 1/4 horse, then write it to a j3 chip
what type of issues are you having?

[stu11926]

I use it most of the time....get the tune happy using the 1/4 horse, then write it to a j3 chip
what type of issues are you having?

It's a new motor/combo. 408w with GT40Y heads, Victor 5.8 EFI intake, Comp Cams XFI 236HR-14, 42lb/hr injectors, 90mm Lightning MAF, 75mm throttle body, BBK CAI, BBK 1 3/4" LT headers, Moates QH, BE and EA, Innovate LC-1, Smog pump and EGR removed, No PCV (baffled, open breathers on valve covers), MSD 6AL ignition, Stock A9L computer

A guy on eectuning.org helped me out with a base tune, and it's running fair, but seems really rich most of the time and bucks a bit at low rpm. I'm far more concerned with drivability than I am with max power. I just don't know enough about wtf I'm doing and I'm scared that one wrong parameter might cause a very expensive problem.

The car is currently inop because I'm in the middle of a hydroboost brake retrofit. I'm hoping to have it going (AND woahing) by the end of the week.

Jonathan

[Stable]

pm sent

[nastynotchback1]

It's a new motor/combo. 408w with GT40Y heads, Victor 5.8 EFI intake, Comp Cams XFI 236HR-14, 42lb/hr injectors, 90mm Lightning MAF, 75mm throttle body, BBK CAI, BBK 1 3/4" LT headers, Moates QH, BE and EA, Innovate LC-1, Smog pump and EGR removed, No PCV (baffled, open breathers on valve covers), MSD 6AL ignition, Stock A9L computer

A guy on eectuning.org helped me out with a base tune, and it's running fair, but seems really rich most of the time and bucks a bit at low rpm. I'm far more concerned with drivability than I am with max power. I just don't know enough about wtf I'm doing and I'm scared that one wrong parameter might cause a very expensive problem.

The car is currently inop because I'm in the middle of a hydroboost brake retrofit. I'm hoping to have it going (AND woahing) by the end of the week.

Jonathan

Just wondering why you went with such a small head on a 408????

[midnight stang]

Just wondering why you went with such a small head on a 408????

me too, holy choke it off. that is like breathing through a straw.

[Fox Rodder]

My friend had a o3 cobra wipple + n2o with a mail order tune from rwtd and went to pro dyno for a tune spent a whole bunch of $$ his "number jet " show big numbers but he didn't dyno it before his tune . Took it to the track it was slower 3-5 tenths in the 1/8 it was so bad we thought the motor was hurt . It would also fall on its face on a power shift .He put the mail order tune in went back to putting down great track # lesson learned .

[NC STANG GUY]

Just wondering why you went with such a small head on a 408????

me too, holy choke it off. that is like breathing through a straw.

I thought the same I just hadn't said it.....

[Black01Bullitt]

My friend had a o3 cobra wipple + n2o with a mail order tune from rwtd and went to pro dyno for a tune spent a whole bunch of $$ his "number jet " show big numbers but he didn't dyno it before his tune . Took it to the track it was slower 3-5 tenths in the 1/8 it was so bad we thought the motor was hurt . It would also fall on its face on a power shift .He put the mail order tune in went back to putting down great track # lesson learned .

That would be easy for him to do by changing the corrections in the dyno calculations.

[Stable]

That would be easy for him to do by changing the corrections in the dyno calculations.

On a Dynojet, all that can be changed is the correction factor,(sae saj uncorrected iso) which 99% of the time will not make a big change..............

[Black01Bullitt]

Gotcha.

[stu11926]

Just wondering why you went with such a small head on a 408????

me too, holy choke it off. that is like breathing through a straw.

I thought the same I just hadn't said it.....

Do y'all REALLY think that was by choice? :lol1:

Just like so many others, I'm on a limited budget for this car. Even though that is the main restriction on the motor, it is SO far down the priority list right now. Before I change out the heads I'd rather have bigger brakes and a tubular K-member/front suspension.

[wsd91stang]

:hi:oops:thumbsup1:

[89stang1]

my NA 333 was tuned on a mustang dyno using SCT II on a 4 bank piggyback chip 75mm PMAS mass air, my tuner was able to get 35 more hp still have a 93 octane safe tune. I have a Zex dry NOS kit on my car all hooked up from before i had my 333 stroker in car a year and half now just never went back to dyno for my NOS tune, guess im little worried bout stock block the car is making around 400RWHP now so + 100 shot = see what i mean ......man if i split my block:bat:

[Linn@AmazonTuning]

x2. pro-dyno sucks. so does amazon.


You are the first person I have ever heard say that amazon sucks.

no he probalby isnt..we have our haters just like every other tuner does.. we are just lucky to have thousands of happy customers and only a few unhappy ones... every once in a while we have a customer who thinks he knows more than Rick and wont listen.... or doesnt understand what he is being told..but I always see Rick taking his time to explain to the customers what he is doing or what needs to be done so the vehicle can be tuned..he is a tuner not a miracle worker .. you would not believe the condition in which some of these vehicles come in here to be tuned

since I am not familiar with who Jboren93 is I can't comment on why he thinks Amazon sucks..

you will hear pros and cons about any tuner..because when you are pushing a vehicle beyond it mechanical limits.. crap happens...and it isnt always the tune but it is always the tune that gets blamed..

that isnt the first time I've heard someone say he should stick to modulars..pushrod motors have been around a long time before modulars.. so saying Rick needs to stick with modulars is ridiculous.. he has worked with pushrod stuff for many years..he is one of the very few tuners to have a Sneec datalogger for pushrod motors..so he can actually datalog the dyno runs.. and use the data to build the tune

[Linn@AmazonTuning]

As far as Amazon goes, I have personally seen two of their engines melt down from being too lean and too much timing in the tune:thumbsdown1:...it happens sometimes...have also had to fix issues that have come from there.....rick seems like a nice guy and everyone has problems with this and that.... Jeff at Mo's has made some slamming numbers with very safe tunes.... At least a few should be at the track day on the 24th that have been tuned by Jeff......and there is a little HP to be made on stock setup but you are right, its not a ton......see you guys in 3 weeks:thumbsup1:



really? who might that have been? mechanical issues can cause that to happen .. it isnt always the tune..


if we did a job that was not right we would have fixed it..

there would have been no need for you or anyone else to fix it..


who are you BTW.... you must know us since you think Rick is a nice guy...

[wsd91stang]

I have been at some of the same functions as you guys and, yes it seems that rick is a nice guy. Yes there have been more than a couple of cars from amazon that were right on the ragged edge as far as A/F and timing go that ended up burning pistons up. It was also stated by one of the car's owner that it had been back up there once and that he had tried to get it looked at even once or twice again but was told that nothing was wrong with the tune. Everyone has problems and bad customers. How they are dealt with makes the difference. It is true that there will be some that you cannot please if you hung them with a new rope. I do not think I have had the pleasure of meeting you, so you would not know me. I am not stirring crap but that's what I know. I work on these things everyday and have seen most of the horror stories out there from all over. No, I do not tune them. I do, however do most any upgrade you can think of and have been doing it for a very long time. Thanks for not assuming I am hating on anyone because that is not my intent. :patriot:

[Linn@AmazonTuning]

I would appreciate facts about those vehicles..Im not aware of any of our customer vehicles with blown motors except a V6 car that was told he was running way too much boost for a stock motor but insisted on running it and kept bringing it back because he kept messing with the tuner...IM sure that you were not told all the facts..

Rick doesnt have thousands of happy customers by sending vehicles away from the shop with lean AF and too much timing..and he doesnt tune on the ragged edge because one bad tank of gas can take out a motor.. and he has no control over what a customer might do to it once it leaves the shop

I'm sure that you see all kinds of install mistakes but as stated before anything that is done here is fixed if we are told about it..that is why Rick is the only person working on the vehicles now..

I would appreciate knowing who you are so make sure you introduce yourself next time you at a function where we are

[wsd91stang]

As I said before, you cannot please everyone. I am not naive either. We just take the good with the bad and move forward. I am most likely gonna be at WS on the 24th, so I may see you there. Again, I am not stirring the pot, just telling what I see. Any boost is too much on a stock V6 in my opinion. LOL

[Linn@AmazonTuning]

Im sure you think that you are not stirring but when you throw out random accusations about a business without any facts that is exactly what you are doing..potential customers read what is posted about businesses and use that to make a decision about who they give their business to..Im sure you understand that and would have a reaction to any comments made about the work you do..especially when you are denied being able to tell your side of the story..both sides of any incident needs to be out there..not just one

we are often brought vehicles that need extensive corrections..being appalled at the quality of the work and the price they were charged..who knows.. since I dont know who you are..maybe we have corrected your work .. even if I did know I would not jump into a thread where your name was mentioned and talk about it..

on a steady basis we are correcting install mistakes and fixing messed up tunes done by other shops and shade tree mechanics..do you ever see us jump into a thread and comment about who did the work?


Im looking forward to meeting you..so we can talk .. I'm sure we will have our 2011 GT 5.0 at the unoffical track day on the 24th

[wsd91stang]

You are right. In retrospect, maybe I should have never said anything and avoided this. But I do have just one more question. Why are you more concerned with me and not the guys that said outright that "Amazon sucks". I merely joined a conversation on a forum that was started by someone else. The initial comment about Amazon was also someone else. You have not corrected any of my work that I know of because I do not tune. I am involved more in the suspension side of things and general repair and upgrades. Tuning on the vehicles that I have had my hands on are tuned elsewhere. This ends here, as far as I am concerned, if you can also let it end.

[Linn@AmazonTuning]

Just as any business would be..I am concerned about anyone who has negative things to say about our business..You engaged in a civil dialog with me which I very much respect you for doing..please introduct yourself to us at the track day so I can shake your hand and put this to rest

[GTforever]

WELL THROUGH THE HISTORY OF THE THREAD IT FINALLY CAM DOWN TO pRO dYNO ISN'T GOING TO MAKE ANYTHING RIGHT,SO i'M OUT 467.00,OH WHAT A JOY IT IS TO PUT YOUR TRUST IN PEOPLE..UNLESS OF COURSE i MAIL HIM HIS CHIP BACK,THEN HE MIGHT REFUND ME 1/2 MY MONEY......not......thats the only proof I have of nothing being done,so here's my next question,can another tuner access this cheap to what,if anything he has done can be pulled up,being disabled that money came hard,but I'm not sore.I am a firm believer of what comes around goes around in due time,and those that make their money off the misfortunes of others will have to answer to a higher power,thanks for all the help,reccomendations I have recieved,here,R

[S-Trimmed302]

when my cars get Dyno Tuned nobody will touch them but Bob Kurgan.

[nastynotchback1]

when my cars get dyno tuned nobody will touch them but bob kurgan in braselton ga.

good to know.i was wondering who would tune your car!!!! J/k