Very vague question about head.

[93mustang2.3t]

What would cause a clicking so loud in the head that it could be mistaken for a knock? Just want thoughts and opinions nothings official yet so just wanna see what you guys think before I do the head gasket and stuff later this year.

[embler]

number of things. hla's aren't pumping up like they are suppose to, cam is wore out and you have to much clearance, or broken follower

[Bizarro]

WOW, for a minute i thought we were going to have the Birds an the Bee's talk from your title..LOL :lol1:
http://southeasternfoxbodies.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=497&pictureid=12277



FIRST THING!....... DO A COMP. TEST!!!!!!!!!
SECOND THING... SCRATCH THE FIRST THING AN CALL UP LATEMODEL RESTO AN BUY ONE OF THERE $699 - 302 short blocks!!!! :lol1:

[embler]

WOW, for a minute i thought we were going to have the Birds an the Bee's talk from your title..LOL :lol1:
http://southeasternfoxbodies.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=497&pictureid=12277



FIRST THING!....... DO A COMP. TEST!!!!!!!!!
SECOND THING... SCRATCH THE FIRST THING AN CALL UP LATEMODEL RESTO AN BUY ONE OF THERE $699 - 302 short blocks!!!! :lol1:

lmfao!!!!!
and NO v8's!!!!!! oh, wait a minute, his is a '93, go ahead, put a v8 in it. :)

[93mustang2.3t]

WOW, for a minute i thought we were going to have the Birds an the Bee's talk from your title..LOL :lol1:
http://southeasternfoxbodies.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=497&pictureid=12277



FIRST THING!....... DO A COMP. TEST!!!!!!!!!
SECOND THING... SCRATCH THE FIRST THING AN CALL UP LATEMODEL RESTO AN BUY ONE OF THERE $699 - 302 short blocks!!!! :lol1:

For one screw your V8's and two I did a compression test

cly's
1-120psi
2-125psi
3-130psi
4-126psi
:p

[Bizarro]

For one screw your V8's and two I did a compression test

cly's
1-120psi
2-125psi
3-130psi
4-126psi
:p

THERE'S YOUR PROBLEM!!!! #'S 5 6 7 & 8 dont have any comp.!!!! :lol1:

[Notch93]

THERE'S YOUR PROBLEM!!!! #'S 5 6 7 & 8 dont have any comp.!!!! :lol1:

:lol4::lol4::lol4::lol4::lol4::lol4::lol4::lol4: :lol4:


Sorry Justin, but that was to **** funny.:lol2::lol2::lol2::lol2::lol2::lol2::lol2:

[93mustang2.3t]

number of things. hla's aren't pumping up like they are suppose to, cam is wore out and you have to much clearance, or broken follower

ok sorry I don't know much about heads whats a HLA and a follower?

NVM about the HLA its just a lifter. I think.
Guys on turbo ford think that's the prob.

Here's are some vid's of the motor when it was in the TC with the T3 on it still.

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg208/93stangfutr50/turbocoupe/th_SANY0536.jpg (http://s249.photobucket.com/albums/gg208/93stangfutr50/turbocoupe/?action=view&current=SANY0536.flv)

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg208/93stangfutr50/turbocoupe/th_SANY0538.jpg (http://s249.photobucket.com/albums/gg208/93stangfutr50/turbocoupe/?action=view&current=SANY0538.flv)

[93mustang2.3t]

THERE'S YOUR PROBLEM!!!! #'S 5 6 7 & 8 dont have any comp.!!!! :lol1:

No 5,6,7,8 are in the N/A motor if you wanna get technical about it one of my N/A 2.3 cyl makes more power than one of your 5.0's :thumbsup1:
and one of my boosted cyls produces the same as two of a stock 5.0's cyl.:thumbsup1:

lmfao!!!!!
and NO v8's!!!!!! oh, wait a minute, his is a '93, go ahead, put a v8 in it. :)

and SCREW that idea.

[jboren93]

No 5,6,7,8 are in the N/A motor if you wanna get technical about it one of my N/A 2.3 cyl makes more power than one of your 5.0's :thumbsup1:
and one of my boosted cyls produces the same as two of a stock 5.0's cyl.:thumbsup1:



and SCREW that idea.

lies!!!!!!!!!! who tells you this nonsense, there is no replacement for displacement. remember that!

[Silver91Hatch]

there is no replacement for displacement

I have a couple blue bottles of displacement replacement!:thumbsup1:

[93mustang2.3t]

I've heard that saying a few times but if I have 225hp and a stock 5.0 has 215hp divide it up tell me what each cyl has. LOL

[fstrthnu373]

a stock 2.3 makes 88hp soo lets compair stock to stock

[Bizarro]

a stock 2.3 makes 88hp soo lets compair stock to stock

your not going to win with this kid!..." just smile an wave boys.... JUST SMILE AN WAVE!!! "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI6DJ0VkBMQ&feature=related

[drivin-fool]

your not going to win with this kid!..." just smile an wave boys.... JUST SMILE AN WAVE!!! "



You got that right. He is hardcore into those 1/2 motors :yes1:

[Silver91Hatch]

People buy horsepower, they drive torque. Tell me how much torque that 2.3 makes, 20, 30 ft-lbs??

[Stable]

Very vague answer...something that is not right

[Wayne's 88 GT]

No 5,6,7,8 are in the N/A motor if you wanna get technical about it one of my N/A 2.3 cyl makes more power than one of your 5.0's :thumbsup1:
and one of my boosted cyls produces the same as two of a stock 5.0's cyl.:thumbsup1:



and SCREW that idea.

Do what?? From what do you pull this information from?

I've heard that saying a few times but if I have 225hp and a stock 5.0 has 215hp divide it up tell me what each cyl has. LOL

What year is that TC motor from? Wanna double check that HP number? My 88 GT is rated at 225hp not 215. And I don't need a hairdryer to get to that number plus she's got 300 lb/ft of torque.....which yours does not. If our 5.0's are sooo terrible how come it is so popular?

There are not a ton of Turbo fours running around in case you didn't notice. Not that I am bashing them in any way.....just sayin'. Hope when you get it all sorted out you are gonna run a good number with your turbo four cuz if you wanna run I am still game......just running a little faster that what you think.......and all I did was a rear gear swap.

i'm not picking on you.....but I just don't understand why you wanna bash the 5.0's sooo much


Very vague answer...something that is not right

:thumbsup1:

[93mustang2.3t]

a stock 2.3 makes 88hp soo lets compair stock to stock

Learn the facts buddy 87-89 had distributors and only 88hp my 93 had 115hp

Ok get back on topic guys you started it this time Biz about the comps. thing I don't give a rats A33 what you guys say about my motor it's my motor. Ok I was off on the thing wayne sorry my motor my be from 86 but its runnin as an 88 with the LA3 and factory it makes 205 so forgive me if I need 2.1 of my cyls to equal two of your factory. My hair dryer tho which is twice as big as one of your cyls is pushin 19psi with my FMIC so I'm getting at least 225hp if not more.

[Wayne's 88 GT]

Learn the facts buddy 87-89 had distributors and only 88hp my 93 had 115hp

Ok get back on topic guys you started it this time Biz about the comps. thing I don't give a rats A33 what you guys say about my motor it's my motor. Ok I was off on the thing wayne sorry my motor my be from 86 but its runnin as an 88 with the LA3 and factory it makes 205 so forgive me if I need 2.1 of my cyls to equal two of your factory. My hair dryer tho which is twice as big as one of your cyls is pushin 19psi with my FMIC so I'm getting at least 225hp if not more.

Great to hear.......so lets line them up and I hope you have picked up at least 1.4 seconds to make up the difference since you wanna compare your TC Motor to a stock 5.0. :thumbsup1:

[93mustang2.3t]

I deff picked that up plus more my brother used to woop my A33 (5 cars by 2nd gear) now he can't keep up to me.

once I fix the tapping and get the oil to stay in the motor longer than a day I will deff run you.

[Notch93]

Learn the facts buddy 87-89 had distributors and only 88hp my 93 had 115hp

Ok get back on topic guys you started it this time Biz about the comps. thing I don't give a rats A33 what you guys say about my motor it's my motor. Ok I was off on the thing wayne sorry my motor my be from 86 but its runnin as an 88 with the LA3 and factory it makes 205 so forgive me if I need 2.1 of my cyls to equal two of your factory. My hair dryer tho which is twice as big as one of your cyls is pushin 19psi with my FMIC so I'm getting at least 225hp if not more.

Still sounds SLOW. :yes1: :taunt: :lol1::lol1::lol1:

[93mustang2.3t]

ok fine thats your oppinion.

[embler]

Learn the facts buddy 87-89 had distributors and only 88hp my 93 had 115hp

Ok get back on topic guys you started it this time Biz about the comps. thing I don't give a rats A33 what you guys say about my motor it's my motor. Ok I was off on the thing wayne sorry my motor my be from 86 but its runnin as an 88 with the LA3 and factory it makes 205 so forgive me if I need 2.1 of my cyls to equal two of your factory. My hair dryer tho which is twice as big as one of your cyls is pushin 19psi with my FMIC so I'm getting at least 225hp if not more.

sorry man, but just running yours with an la3 does not make it an 88. if you were running a stock turbo, then with the la3, you may make a little more hp than stock because od the more aggressice timing and fuel maps. not trying to knock you or anything, but you really need to get your facts straight.

as for myself, I'd love to run one of you 5.0 guys. while I'm not running a big turbo like justin, I do have a few bolt-ons and I can drive. I know I won't beat you guys with full bolt-ons (yet, anyway. give me a couple years. parts aren't cheap, lol :) ), but I will give you guys a good run and possibly a whipping. before this gets out of hand and others take it wrong, I do have to defend the mighty 2.3 (got an svo so it comes with the territory) and I just like running for the hell of it. I don't get to serious, I like having fun :)

[stangster50]

I don't get to serious, I like having fun :)

which is why you have a 2.3t and get respect, while others have 2.3t's, cant take a joke, and dont have that respect.:lol1:

[stangster50]

THERE'S YOUR PROBLEM!!!! #'S 5 6 7 & 8 dont have any comp.!!!! :lol1:

:lol1::lol1::lol1::lol1: WIN

[embler]

which is why you have a 2.3t and get respect, while others have 2.3t's, cant take a joke, and dont have that respect.:lol1:

true dat. I know what v8's can run and I know what a 2.3t can run also. just takes a lot more effort to make a 2.3t run. I'm no stranger to either, having had 16 mustangs in my lifetime so far. I just like picking on the v8 guys that think their stock or somewhat built car is fast and then they get beat by a 4 banger. but hey, better to get beat by a 4 banger in a mustang than one in a honduh, lol

[4bangstang]

Back to your question, if you hear a bunch of light clicking sounds it may be the injectors.
And for the 5.0 guys which I used to be and wouldn't mind building a 347 in the near future, My 2.3 is a lot faster than my old 92 lx 5.0 and my 95 cobra was before it had the procharger. It just depends on the setup.

[93mustang2.3t]

sorry man, but just running yours with an la3 does not make it an 88. if you were running a stock turbo, then with the la3, you may make a little more hp than stock because od the more aggressice timing and fuel maps. not trying to knock you or anything, but you really need to get your facts straight.

OK can you tell me then what I am running since you don't think that an 86 with a t-5 and a t3 turbo starts off at 15psi

What am I running an 86 with 200+ hp or am I running 1986-8

Better Silver?

[Silver91Hatch]

Can I get that in english??

[Wayne's 88 GT]

Ok can you tell me then what I am running since you don't think that and 86 with a t-5 and a t3 turbo starts off at 15psi

What am I runnin a 86 with 200+ hp or am I runnin 1986-8

Only way to truely know is to put it on a dyno and see what is really there RWHP wise.......just sayin'

[93mustang2.3t]

That stuff is directed straight at emblem cause he said for one I was lying about the t3 pushing 15psi when it was in the TC he said that from the factory it wasn't set like that with the stock boost controller.

Ever since this turbo crap happened things have been getting way out of hand. And I'm tired of everyone saying what I don't have instead of what I do Huhu he has 4 less cyl's than us. I came in here with a serious question and it degenerated into another 4cyl to V8 crap of an argument.

[embler]

Ok can you tell me then what I am running since you don't think that and 86 with a t-5 and a t3 turbo starts off at 15psi

What am I runnin a 86 with 200+ hp or am I runnin 1986-8

huh? please use punctuation and proper english, lol. the '86 tc's were rated at 155hp while the '88 was rated at 190hp, both with 5 speeds. while the '86 had a bigger turbo, the boost wasn't as high than the '88 had. '86's only went up to 10-12psi while the '88 went to 15psi. now that little bit of extra boost does not account for an extra 35hp and neither does the ecu. to get to 190hp for an '88, they did have more boost, a better ecu, PLUS, a different intake, cam and an intercooler. what color are the injectors in yours? how big is the opening in the vam? earlier tc's had the small vam and smaller injectors also.

[Silver91Hatch]

That stuff is directed straight at emblem cause he said for one I was lying about the t3 pushing 15psi when it was in the TC he said that from the factory it wasn't set like that with the stock boost controller.

Ever since this turbo crap happened things have been getting way out of hand. And I'm tired of everyone saying what I don't have instead of what I do Huhu he has 4 less cyl's than us. I came in here with a serious question and it degenerated into another 4cyl to V8 crap of an argument.

Ok. First off. If I am going to sell a part I will make sure its good first.

Secondly you basically said since you put the better comp in that makes it gain XX hp. Thats like saying if I bolt on a A9L to my car and it will make 800hp, then once I get called on it, I say, but I am pushing 20lbs of boost. All of the details up front make it a little easier to help.

And, if you ask for help, take it. I can't stand when someone asks a question, I answer it, then they say something to the effect of "No I am going to do something else" and you are the worst for that. If your not going to use the help, don't ask for it.

I also need to speak with you english teacher. Maybe she can tell you how to use a period, comma and how to form sentences.

[Silver91Hatch]

huh? please use punctuation and proper english, lol.

x2 :thumbsup1: :yes1:

[embler]

first off, the name is "embleR", not "embleM". ok? since you want to bring it up... NO! the '86 tc's did not put out 15psi. the factory controls wouldn't let it. the turbo was bad when I got it from you and that's it. it had blown seals and the fins rubbed on it. granted, you probably didn't know the fins rubbed as I didn't notice until I started it with the downpipe off it. but with the blown seals, the tc you got had to have smoked. I know how being young, getting a new car, you don't even notice or even care that its smoking. you just want to take it home and get to work on it. you are lucky I would even still try to help you with yours. as silver said, you don't take anyones advice and I now have a $500 stock turbo since I had to have the one I got from you rebuilt.

[93mustang2.3t]

First of aparently my 20-10 eye sight is bad and my brothers 20-20 is bad too cause when I drove the TC 100 miles with atleast 10-15 pulls around 40-50mph the 18psi boost guage read 15psi maybe the gauge was bad I don't know but my brother backs me up on this cause he had to drive the car for a week to work when his car was down.

Now my car has the brown top injectors YES the 35lb's it also has the 3in vam that I bought off of corral and now it has an FMIC although not the greatest. So, your right silver me changing the ECU isn't going to give me 200hp or something like that but when I do something I do it the right way and I always double check everything thing but I am human and do miss some things the turbo was GOOD when I traded it like I have said so many times when I messaged embler about the HY35 I was really just kidding and didn't expect to get it and the T3 was going on my car the way it was so I can't help the fact that it blew maybe it was on its last step when I gave it to him I don't know but he checked it when he came to my house and said ok. The HY had the same play as the T3 did and I still had to buy $40 worth of fittings not to mention the intake trouble I had and gas mileage cause of no exhaust now this isn't embler's fault but if I would have kept the T3 non of this stuff would have had to be done I just would have had to rebuild a T3.

[93mustang2.3t]

Ok. First off. If I am going to sell a part I will make sure its good first.

Secondly you basically said since you put the better comp in that makes it gain XX hp. Thats like saying if I bolt on a A9L to my car and it will make 800hp, then once I get called on it, I say, but I am pushing 20lbs of boost. All of the details up front make it a little easier to help.

And, if you ask for help, take it. I can't stand when someone asks a question, I answer it, then they say something to the effect of "No I am going to do something else" and you are the worst for that. If your not going to use the help, don't ask for it.

I also need to speak with you english teacher. Maybe she can tell you how to use a period, comma and how to form sentences.

Silver just STOP. I don't need a **** lecture alright I get them from my mom enough I did take the advice given about the head and that is what this thread is about.:angry:

[silentcarl]

Sounds like worn out HLA's to me. How many miles do you have on it since you did the swap?

How many miles were on the donor?


There's no replacement for displacement. (except more boost then I can imagine running.)

I cant wait to put my car on a dyno. I expect 200, but would be very happy with 190+.

225-300 hp is a big claim for a 1970's technology 4 banger. Yes it has been done (and done with even double the 300 hp mark). You have the right turbo for it, but you have no other supporting mods to make the boost numbers you need to attain the horsepower you think you have.

[4bangstang]

Wow, this is getting good.:p

[silentcarl]

There are not a ton of Turbo fours running around in case you didn't notice. Not that I am bashing them in any way.....just sayin'. Hope when you get it all sorted out you are gonna run a good number with your turbo four cuz if you wanna run I am still game......just running a little faster that what you think.......and all I did was a rear gear swap.


You ran a 9.84. Your supporting mods are super basic. Respectable, yes?

Mine are similarly basic. Only things not stock on my car that would affect power are:

5 more pounds of boost (20 total)
ported intake manifold
ported exhaust manifold
3" Exhaust
K&N
Ranger roller cam (would probably hurt power just add low end torque)
3.73 gear

That's it.

9.49 at Shady Side.

You hp calculated by et = ~ 168
Mine same calc, 100 lbs less (guessing. I have a coupe, and weigh 220) = ~178

We all know "claimed" hp ratings are just that!

10 hp spread? Sounds like a manual would put you right there with me. Sounds like a good race. I'm in. Ditch that power robbing auto so it's a fair race.

[93mustang2.3t]

The only diff between me and you Carl is the porting and I have an FMIC. The turbo of course I'm only pushing 19psi but I have more amount of air going into it anyway also I'm basing this off if I was running 100 octane gas not 91 or 93.

I'm just giving a guestimate of what I have cause before the FMIC people over on foureyedpride said I would roughly have 220-240hp so I took that and just added 5hp cause the FMIC.

[Wayne's 88 GT]

You ran a 9.84. Your supporting mods are super basic. Respectable, yes?

Mine are similarly basic. Only things not stock on my car that would affect power are:

5 more pounds of boost (20 total)
ported intake manifold
ported exhaust manifold
3" Exhaust
K&N
Ranger roller cam (would probably hurt power just add low end torque)
3.73 gear

That's it.

9.49 at Shady Side.

You hp calculated by et = ~ 168
Mine same calc, 100 lbs less (guessing. I have a coupe, and weigh 220) = ~178

We all know "claimed" hp ratings are just that!

10 hp spread? Sounds like a manual would put you right there with me. Sounds like a good race. I'm in. Ditch that power robbing auto so it's a fair race.



:hijacked:

Carl,
Yes the very basic mods to my car.....just a 3.73, moved the air filter to the fenderwell, bumped timing a little and threw a set of 4 cyl springs front and rear in it. No other power mods to it. Went from a 10.53-10.60s to 10.0-9.84. MPH went from 67 to 71. Now onto your mods......sounds like you have a good setup there. As far as ditching the auto...ain't gonna happen until I get another DD. I am getting a torque converter to go with the valvebody I have so maybe we can line them up.........:thumbsup1:

[Silver91Hatch]

but when I do something I do it the right way

Oxygen sensor install correctly yet??

[93mustang2.3t]

about a week ago thanx.

[Silver91Hatch]

Curious to know, who welded on the cast iron for you?

[93mustang2.3t]

Curious to know, who welded on the cast iron for you?

No one I just taped the hole since it is about 1/2in thick and just threaded it straight into it.

[Silver91Hatch]

Sweet. Thats what I would of done to begin with.

[93mustang2.3t]

I couldn't find anyone who had a big enough tap and I didn't want to buy one and use it once.

[Silver91Hatch]

Yeah. I have bought a lot of tools for a one time use.

[93mustang2.3t]

Yea but that $20 can go to my oil leak prob.

[Silver91Hatch]

What valve cover gasket did you use? IIRC it was a cork gasket, you will need the Fel-Pro blue rubber gasket with the hard stops. When you take the vavle voer off and make sure the bolt holes are not sunk'en in on the vavle cover if its sheet metal, if its aluminum, then just install the V/C gasket and go.

[93mustang2.3t]

One of the cover bolts broke thats whats causing the leak.

[embler]

You ran a 9.84. Your supporting mods are super basic. Respectable, yes?

Mine are similarly basic. Only things not stock on my car that would affect power are:

5 more pounds of boost (20 total)
ported intake manifold
ported exhaust manifold
3" Exhaust
K&N
Ranger roller cam (would probably hurt power just add low end torque)
3.73 gear

That's it.

9.49 at Shady Side.

You hp calculated by et = ~ 168
Mine same calc, 100 lbs less (guessing. I have a coupe, and weigh 220) = ~178

We all know "claimed" hp ratings are just that!

10 hp spread? Sounds like a manual would put you right there with me. Sounds like a good race. I'm in. Ditch that power robbing auto so it's a fair race.

you should be running faster than that. what was your 60" time? last time I went, I ran a 9.22. that was with a little ihi at 15psi, 2 1/2" exhaust, ranger roller and a front mount.

[Bizarro]

:hijacked:

Carl,
Yes the very basic mods to my car.....just a 3.73, moved the air filter to the fenderwell, bumped timing a little and threw a set of 4 cyl springs front and rear in it. No other power mods to it. Went from a 10.53-10.60s to 10.0-9.84. MPH went from 67 to 71. Now onto your mods......sounds like you have a good setup there. As far as ditching the auto...ain't gonna happen until I get another DD. I am getting a torque converter to go with the valvebody I have so maybe we can line them up.........:thumbsup1:


Pedal assem. in a junk yard for about $30-40...
Stock T-5 w/ bell USED $150-200
Stock Clutch Cable an Quad. FREE...come get it you WUSS!
Stock Pressure plate... GOT ONE SITTING HERE...MAKE AN OFFER
Stock AutoZone Clutch... $120

TIME TO SWAP IT ALL OUT????.... ONE DAY!

TO TURN THAT SLOW BOX INTO A GEAR BANGING, TIRED SHREEDING, FUN AS HELL TO DRIVE?????


PRICELESS~!



HHmmmm...... A WHOLE T-5 Swap for UNDER $400
or
keep that
HEAVY A$$
SLOW A$$
SLUSH BOX
POWER ROBBING
P.O.S!?!?!?!?!?


yea.... on 2nd thought.... keep that wore out auto! :insane::jerkit:

[silentcarl]

you should be running faster than that. what was your 60" time? last time I went, I ran a 9.22. that was with a little ihi at 15psi, 2 1/2" exhaust, ranger roller and a front mount.

I have no clue. Probably not very good. 235r17 street tires, super-stiff springs, and leaving soft. Probably should have been shifting sooner with the RR cam also.

Was yours a stock head?

[silentcarl]

The only diff between me and you Carl is the porting and I have an FMIC. The turbo of course I'm only pushing 19psi but I have more amount of air going into it anyway also I'm basing this off if I was running 100 octane gas not 91 or 93.

I'm just giving a guestimate of what I have cause before the FMIC people over on foureyedpride said I would roughly have 220-240hp so I took that and just added 5hp cause the FMIC.

**** I have a large NPR also. I forgot to mention that.

More air? How do you figure? Explain how 19psi is more air then 20 psi in the same displacement cylinder at the same temperature. With facts please.

[jboren93]

wow...

[93mustang2.3t]

CFM carl CFM I was talking if you pushed 19 psi and I pushed 19psi I would have more air going in cause my turbo has a bigger compressor side. PSI isn't everything.

[embler]

I have no clue. Probably not very good. 235r17 street tires, super-stiff springs, and leaving soft. Probably should have been shifting sooner with the RR cam also.

Was yours a stock head?

yeah, my head is stock. just a ranger roller like yours. I was on street tires also. 235/50/16's. I was leaving at 3000rpms and shifting about 6k. do you have an adjustable cam pulley? I have an esslinger on mine, retarded about 4* to make the rr work at higher rpms.

[embler]

CFM carl CFM I was talking if you pushed 19 psi and I pushed 19psi I would have more air going in cause my turbo has a bigger compressor side. PSI isn't everything.

psi is simply a measurement of backpressure. if you are cramming 19psi into your motor and carl is cramming the same 19psi into his, its pretty much the same. its all about how efficient the turbo is. let me explain. let's take 2 turbos, one is a little one with an a/r of say .48, we will call it "a" and then you have a bigger one with an a/r of say .60, call it "b". now, if I set both at 15psi, they are both gonna push that same amount. you can't change that. now, the bigger turbo is going to do it more effectively. why? because when you compress air and move it, it heats up. the smaller turbo has less area to do this and will compress the air up more than the bigger one will and therefore, heat the air up more. as we all know, heat equals less power. comprende? if you'd like to know why heat equals less power let me know. I will be more than glad to give you a lesson on that also.

[93mustang2.3t]

I know about heat the cooler the air the more air molecules in the same amount of space.

I swear that the rev limiter on our cars was like 57-5800 rpms is it diff for the SVO's?

[embler]

I know about heat the cooler the air the more air molecules in the same amount of space.

I swear that the rev limiter on our cars was like 57-5800 rpms is it diff for the SVO's?

yes, the svo ecu "pe" has a higher rev limit and also more agressive fuel and timing tables

[silentcarl]

yeah, my head is stock. just a ranger roller like yours. I was on street tires also. 235/50/16's. I was leaving at 3000rpms and shifting about 6k. do you have an adjustable cam pulley? I have an esslinger on mine, retarded about 4* to make the rr work at higher rpms.


I have a Esslinger, but it is straight up. Was shifting at 6000 rpm.
Leaving at about 2k and 3-5 psi of boost. I may just suck at driving!

[silentcarl]

psi is simply a measurement of backpressure. if you are cramming 19psi into your motor and carl is cramming the same 19psi into his, its pretty much the same. its all about how efficient the turbo is. let me explain. let's take 2 turbos, one is a little one with an a/r of say .48, we will call it "a" and then you have a bigger one with an a/r of say .60, call it "b". now, if I set both at 15psi, they are both gonna push that same amount. you can't change that. now, the bigger turbo is going to do it more effectively. why? because when you compress air and move it, it heats up. the smaller turbo has less area to do this and will compress the air up more than the bigger one will and therefore, heat the air up more. as we all know, heat equals less power. comprende? if you'd like to know why heat equals less power let me know. I will be more than glad to give you a lesson on that also.


Thank you! Exactly what I was getting at. Volume has not changed. The Holset may be putting slightly cooler and there for denser air in... But 19 psi is 19 psi no matter how you cut it!

[silentcarl]

I know about heat the cooler the air the more air molecules in the same amount of space.

I swear that the rev limiter on our cars was like 57-5800 rpms is it diff for the SVO's?

LA3 has a higher rev-limit also. Timing tables are not as hot as the PE computer.

[embler]

I have a Esslinger, but it is straight up. Was shifting at 6000 rpm.
Leaving at about 2k and 3-5 psi of boost. I may just suck at driving!

retard it back a few degrees and see if it does any better. with the ranger cam, it'll run out of steam around 4500 or so. I've played around with mine some. set it at 4* advanced once and it would hit very hard in the low rpms. I didn't like it. if you leave it straight up, shift around 5500 and see what happens. my first runs when it was stock other than a cone filter was a 9.66. try leaving harder. if I left at anything less than 2800rpms, it would bog down and then catch up. I'm gonna try to leave higher next time out. I'm wanting to get a 2 step so I can leave at around 8 or so psi. also, I found that removing the headlight that's in front of the filter helps too unless you have yours in the fender. these 2.3t's are tricky but oh so fun. :)

[Bizarro]

Thank you! Exactly what I was getting at. Volume has not changed. The Holset may be putting slightly cooler and there for denser air in... But 19 psi is 19 psi no matter how you cut it!

TO A POINT YES Theres alot of debate on turbine efficiency VS. turbine volume...

an example: SAY a T-63MM turbo is set at 19PSI, that unit is closer to the limits thus creating greater strain on the turbine an inturn its efficiency starts to drop... say that turbo on a v-8 dynoed say...500rwhp @ 19PSI

now take a LARGER more efficient turbo say T-76MM an you could create the same dyno numbers with LESS BOOST B/C the Larger unit is "FOR ONE" more efficient at moving the same volume of air at a lower PSI rating an in return generating more QUALITY BOOST I.E. "cooler" an less strain on the unit.

SO 19PSI on one turbo OR blower isnt going to be the same H.P. VS. another... unless there the same through an through.

THEN we could get into air velocity intake/exhaust an the efficiency of the motor......maybe later! :lol1:

im done ramblin!

OH...an before someone gets on here burning there key board up :cussing::burningmad: with Facts from some tech web site....

I COULD BE WRONG! :yes1: its just off of what i know. :lol1:

[93mustang2.3t]

So what is the LA3's rev limiter set at if you don't mind me asking and can an 86 motor take the RPM's of the LA3's without valve float or was the rev limiter the same between the two years?

[embler]

So what is the LA3's rev limiter set at if you don't mind me asking and can an 86 motor take the RPM's of the LA3's without valve float or was the rev limiter the same between the two years?

6250 on the la3. 6500 on the pe, svo, ecu. if you get valve float around 6000, then you've got weak valve springs. yes, if your motor is pretty sound, it can take the rpms. keep in mind though, a 2.3 isn't a high revving motor in the first place and your stock cam runs out around 5000 to 5500 rpms anyway.

[93mustang2.3t]

Well I'm uploading two vids right now but Youtube is taking forever says 30mins for the first of the two vids.

[93mustang2.3t]

Here is the first vid. This is just the motor don't think you can hear the clicking in it tho.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AOuy-VofkI

[93mustang2.3t]

Here is the second video with an insane amount of smoke I didn't rev it above 3K rpms. You can hear it missing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df7q2BtQvnQ

[Silver91Hatch]

LOL, the second one scared your cat.

Where is your oil coming from? Is it in the front or rear side of the turbo? Throttle body? etc?

Do you have an oil air seperator inline with the PCV??

[93mustang2.3t]

rear of the turbo I think but my valve stem seals are going bad too.

And my cat wasn't scared he ran over cause he saw my brother driving up.

[Silver91Hatch]

rear of the turbo I think but my valve stem seals are going bad too.

And my cat wasn't scared he ran over cause he saw my brother driving up.

Well if its coming from the rear of the turbo then you either need a bigger drain, a restricter in the supply line or turbo seals. The valve guide seals will make it smoke on start up then quit.

Oh and BTW, the cat thing was a joke, laugh a little.

And FYI, my cat will whip your cats @$$.










(That was a joke also, encase you didn't get it)

[93mustang2.3t]

Yea your cat would woop mines a** he doesn't have front claws compliments to my mom. Turbo's freshly rebuilt so it shouldn't be bad.

[Silver91Hatch]

How is the drain?? IDK but do you 2.3T guys run a restricter??

[93mustang2.3t]

I seriously don't know.

[Silver91Hatch]

I would make sure the drain is unrestricted, possibly with 5/8" or larger clear tubing, that way you can see if its backing up.

Also ask around to see if other run a restricter and if you need one. That hx or hy35 might need a oil pressure restricter.

[93mustang2.3t]

I wouldn't think so the return line is the same size as before and so is the sending line so I don't think so but I'm not 100% sure on that.

[embler]

what's your oil pressure at? check out some dsm forums. those guys that are running holsets use restrictors in there feed line. doesn't matter if the seals are good. to much pressure or if the return line won't flow enough, oil will go past the seal.

[Silver91Hatch]

I know all of the turbo V8 guys run ATLEAST 5/8" or AN -10 return lines and a -4 or -3 restricter. The clear tubing will let you see if the oil is backing up and getting past the seals.

[93mustang2.3t]

I don't know how I would hook up the clear tubing tho.

[Silver91Hatch]

How does the drain tube connect to the turbo and block??

[embler]

How does the drain tube connect to the turbo and block??

has a flange that's bolted to the turbo and other side is brazed to a tube and at the other end of the tube, there is a nipple (also brazed to the tube) that screws into a fitting that's screwed into the block. it would be kinda hard to put some clear tubing in its place.

few other things, if you have a high pressure or high volume oil pump. it'll pump in to much oil and for some reason, if the crankcase is to full, it'll pump in to much oil. how much oil are you putting in it when you changed it? did you change your oil pump? does it smoke all the time or just every once in a while?

[93mustang2.3t]

Smokes when it wants to, no I didn't change the oil pump and it leaks oil like crazy so I'm putting oil in every few days.

[93mustang2.3t]

Ok there isn't any oil coming out the turbo its just exhaust there isn't a good enough seal between the flange and the turbo and I can't tighten the bolts cause the guy made the weld to thick.

[embler]

did you put a good pcv valve on it? where is the breather on the valve cover going to?

[93mustang2.3t]

Yes motor craft sat at ford for 2hrs waiting on it and it is going no where.

[embler]

Yes motor craft sat at ford for 2hrs waiting on it and it is going no where.

take some pics of how you have everything and post them up. then we can go from there

[93mustang2.3t]

I have the breather going straight to atmosphere and same with the PCV I didn't like the oil getting in my intake so I pulled it off and changeing the PCV didn't stop oil from getting through.

[embler]

I have the breather going straight to atmosphere and same with the PCV I didn't like the oil getting in my intake so I pulled it off and changeing the PCV didn't stop oil from getting through.

that's why you are having a skip. you have them going to atmosphere. the 2.3t uses a closed pcv system. when air gets out one way or another, the ecu can't compensate and you get a skip

[93mustang2.3t]

I don't understand I blocked off the tubes for the PCV and there wasn't one for the breather so it shouldn't make a diff should it cause the system is just venting besides if I had it hooked up it would be pressurizing the block wouldn't it?

[embler]

I don't understand I blocked off the tubes for the PCV and there wasn't one for the breather so it shouldn't make a diff should it cause the system is just venting besides if I had it hooked up it would be pressurizing the block wouldn't it?

so, you have the line that's on the intake that goes to the pcv valve blocked off? how do you have the line running from the breather on the side of the block? does your breather on the valve cover have the nipple on it? anyway, any venting you are doing is creating a vacuum leak and that's why it has a skip to it.

[93mustang2.3t]

The breather and the PCV are both venting to atmosphere I blocked the PCV nipple on the upper intake so I wouldn't have a vac leak. I may be mistaken tho.

[embler]

The breather and the PCV are both venting to atmosphere I blocked the PCV nipple on the upper intake so I wouldn't have a vac leak. I may be mistaken tho.

that may be why its skipping though. venting your pcv is a bad idea anyway. you can get lots of dirt and dust in there. if you have a good pcv valve, then you shouldn't be sucking in any oil in the first place (even if it was bad) and it shouldn't pressurize the crankcase. on the breather on the valve cover, have you cleaned it out? I'm betting you may have oil coming out of it some.

[93mustang2.3t]

I'm not sucking in oil I'm pushing it out the PCV the breathers clean.

[Bizarro]

http://southeasternfoxbodies.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=553&pictureid=16871

[Bizarro]

YES!!!.... im post #100 in a thread about head! :yes1:



http://southeasternfoxbodies.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=553&pictureid=17052

[4bangstang]

1. Holsets require part# EAR-9919BFGERL to connect to the oil supply (See Stingerperformance). Available at summit racing ore anywhere that sells perf products.

2. Positive crankcase vent valve (PCV) receives vacuum from the bottom of the upper manifold or throttlebody depending on the set-up. Ynder boost, the pcv closes (acts like a check valve) to prevent pressurization of the crankcase and acid formation in the oil. Only motorcraft pcv is recommended.

3. There is a canister that connects to the block below the lower intake manifold and a hose connects to the larger diameter portion of the pcv.

4. Use small hose clamps on all hose connections or you WILL get a vacuum leak causing backfires, rough idle and poor driveability.

5. You may require a crankcase breather other than the stock valve cover location. What I did was removed the oil fill cap, drilled a hole and screwed a 90 degree npt fitting to it with a hose and filter. This will prevent the valve cover from leaking and relieves crankcase pressure from blow-by.

Hope this helps

[93mustang2.3t]

Wouldn't that still cause a vaccum leak? cause if I have Vaccum and not boost wouldn't the car suck air in throught the PCV system from my breather on my Valve cover?

Sorry I don't understand these systems that well still learning.

[4bangstang]

What happens is this. When your car is started at idle, your vacuum should be reading between 18 and 22 inches of vacuum.

The piston rings do not seal the cylinders 100%. Saying this, during the compression stroke, there will be a very small percent of compressed air escaping past the piston rings. This is called blow-by. This escaped gas now goes around the empty space between the oil pan and around the crankshaft. The vacuum in the intake manifold will open the PCV allowing the escaped gas from blow-by to now enter the intake manifold and be returned to the engine and used for combustion.

Also, the breather on the stock configuration may be routed prior to the stock T3 or IHI turbo compressor housing. The advantage of this is it created a vacuum to suck out crankcase fumes. Disadvantage it oil in the turbo housing. It is ok to vent the valve cover to atmosphere with a filter. Here is a vacuum diagram fron north american turbocoupe organizations site. http://www.turbotbird.com/faqs/Vac_Diagram.htm

[93mustang2.3t]

Ok I understand that but won't the air take the path of least resistance? Breather on the back of the Valve cover for instance? Cause mine just dumps to atmosphere should I plug it? since I put the Hy on the I have no tubing for it.

Here is what I don't understand I guess the breather on the valve cover and the PCV are two systems connected correct? One is in the block the other is in the head aren't they connected?

[4bangstang]

Ok I understand that but won't the air take the path of least resistance? Breather on the back of the Valve cover for instance? Cause mine just dumps to atmosphere should I plug it? since I put the Hy on the I have no tubing for it.

Here is what I don't understand I guess the breather on the valve cover and the PCV are two systems connected correct? One is in the block the other is in the head aren't they connected?

You can run the engine without the valve cover on the engine and it should idle fine. That is actually the prefered way to adjust chevy valvetrain. Just hook up the pcv the way the diagram shows and let the breather on the cover flow to the atmosphere.

[4bangstang]

Go to my pics and look at picture #6. The black hose on the right over the plug wires is the pcv connection to the intake. The oil cap was taped and the old stock breather was remove because the throttle was too **** big.

[embler]

I'm not sucking in oil I'm pushing it out the PCV the breathers clean.

so, without the right punctuation, I'm assuming that says you are pushing oil out of the pcv? if you are, then you are getting boost into the crankcase. if its doing that, then you have some internal engine problems

[93mustang2.3t]

Duh lol why did I start this thread I was getting oil in my intake and sorry I didn't add an and after PCV.

[Superstroke17]

You need to hook the pcv valve up correctly. It is ok for your valve cover breather to vent to the atmosphere but you may see some oil vapor on the valve cover over time. Turbo cars are pretty critical about the pcv system. Just like they say to only use ford pcv valves. It will cause a skip and crankcase pressure will effect the drainback from your turbo. :twocents:

[93mustang2.3t]

I plan to hook it back up. It just seems odd to me that the breather can vent and the PCV can't cause they are the same system the Breather gets crank case Psi too that is what I'm not understanding that the PCV will fix the prob when it still has a vac leak through the breather. Maybe I'm an idiot for not understanding.

No stupid remarks please



BIZ

[silentcarl]

Me and few others had better luck running the PCV vented to the atmosphere.

I ran 1/2 inch heater hose straight from the crankcase and 1/2 inch hose straight from the Valve Cover to a Vented Catch tank mounted low.




This wont help at all if your rings are bad (which is when I had the worst oil leak). Do a leak down test!

[93mustang2.3t]

I plan to but don't have the money I can only use these tools on friday.

Thanx

[embler]

on mine, I run a hose from the block breather to the pcv valve, then right after it i have my homemade valve and then it goes to the intake. on the breather, I have a hose running to an air/oil separator with a small filter on it. almost all 2.3t's have a skip to them. mine idles smoothly and then about every 3 or 4 seconds, it'll skip a little. its actually pretty normal. only guys I know of that have eliminated it altogether are those with stand alone systems or ones with a chip where its been tuned out.

[93mustang2.3t]

Well this isn't a skip I don't know if you can hear it in the video but it actually sounds like a rev limiter.

[embler]

Well this isn't a skip I don't know if you can hear it in the video but it actually sounds like a rev limiter.

you could have a bad injector also. could be a headgasket as well. a leakdown test will tell you a lot.

[93mustang2.3t]

Well I tried to do a leak down test today but the **** connector for it broke.

[4bangstang]

Let us know what you find with the leakdown test. Make sure you are tdc on each individual cylinder when using it and check the exhaust pipe, throttle body, radiator and oil cap for air leak sounds. Oh yeah, a vacuum gauge to the vac tree helps diagnosing issues too.

[93mustang2.3t]

Well I did a test on CYL 1 only no leaking out the exhaust none out pcv minimal out the valve cover and none out the TB this was with about 180PSI of air. I couldn't dial it down I made my own fitting.

[4bangstang]

I'd try to regulate the air psi to 100 if you can. The valve seals leak if air comes out the cover.
TB=intake valve Exhaust = exh valve Radiator = headgasket dipstick=piston rings. It is always best to test it on a warm engine as well.

[93mustang2.3t]

Well it wasn't warm and I didn't have the tester cause the fitting broke it was brand new and had never been used but who ever put it together tightend the fittings too much and it snaped.

[93mustang2.3t]

I just got my valve cover gasket REDONE with a rubber one with metal stoppers so we will see.

It's odd if I have oil to the very top of the safe mark on the dipstick the lifter ticks really loud if I put a little more oil 1/4 of a quart or a 1/16th of a gallon LOL in the motor the ticking stops completely any opinions is this maybe because I get more oil press?

[4bangstang]

Sounds likethe HLAs are sticking. I would run seafoam in the oil for 45 minutes and then do a oil change. That seafoam should clear the varnish and burned oil off and free them up. http://www.mediabaron.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/20060331_seafoam.jpg

[93mustang2.3t]

I'm going to do a compression check today if I get good readings then I will do that.

[93mustang2.3t]

I did a compression test twice on cyl 1 got 80psi then 50 psi starting to pull the head now.

[93mustang2.3t]

HEAD GASKET WAS BLOWN!!! between cyls 1 and 2.

[embler]

well, you are going to get some good experience then. did you ever get that 255 pump? you need one with an adjustable fuel pressure regulator and a wideband. you probably ran it lean. get a timing lught handy. you will need it. along with a good torque wrench.

[93mustang2.3t]

I doubt I was running lean but maybe I don't know I do know that the **** gasket had 210k miles on it.

I will get pix up soon of the chambers and pistons they look awsome. The head gasket almost blew on 2-3 also it looked like it was on its last leg.

[embler]

I doubt I was running lean but maybe I don't know I do know that the **** gasket had 210k miles on it.

I will get pix up soon of the chambers and pistons they look awsome. The head gasket almost blew on 2-3 also it looked like it was on its last leg.

you got a 255 pump in it? wideband? I doubt it was the original head gasket. changinf these gaskets is pretty much a right of passage on them

[Wayne's 88 GT]

HEAD GASKET WAS BLOWN!!! between cyls 1 and 2.

Might just wanna yank it out and replace all the gaskets in one shot......and if she's got over 200k on it.....replace the bearings too just my opinion though....................

[Bizarro]

Might just wanna yank it out and replace all the gaskets in one shot......and if she's got over 200k on it.....replace the bearings too just my opinion though....................

Very true!... an if its got that many miles i would prob. go ahead an do the upgrade while your in there!!!

http://www.latemodelrestoration.com/item/M6007TVS :thumbsup1:

[tc_white]

Very true!... an if its got that many miles i would prob. go ahead an do the upgrade while your in there!!!

http://www.latemodelrestoration.com/item/M6007TVS :thumbsup1:

lmao yeah that engine would rock that cars world :yes1:

[93mustang2.3t]

I've already replaced all the gaskets except head gasket until today.

[93mustang2.3t]

CYL 1

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg208/93stangfutr50/Motor001.jpg

CYL 2

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg208/93stangfutr50/Motor002.jpg

CYL 3 cyl # 4 for some reason didn't work the camera is stupid.

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg208/93stangfutr50/Motor003.jpg

Combustion chamber 1

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg208/93stangfutr50/Motor004.jpg

Combustion chamber 2

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg208/93stangfutr50/Motor005.jpg

Combustion chamber 3

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg208/93stangfutr50/Motor006.jpg

Combustion chamber 4

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg208/93stangfutr50/Motor007.jpg

Break were the head gasket was.

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg208/93stangfutr50/Motor008.jpg

[Silver91Hatch]

In the first pic, in the top right hand corner, is that burnt/cut out area the head gasket or the block?? My 2.3 that I put the turbo on wore the block out there after the head gasket went.

[93mustang2.3t]

No nothing was worn out I looked at the head and the cyls for 30mins I didn't see any problems I did clean the stuff up tho these pix were before I cleaned it. I drove the car to school this morning runs like a champ now.

[embler]

still smoking? using oil?

[silentcarl]

Could just be the light, but combustion chamber # 1 looks as if the cylinder was running a bit lean...

[4bangstang]

glad you got it running better. time for a kirban adj fpr and wideband.

[93mustang2.3t]

Agreed now if I had the funds.

[silentcarl]

So, what head gasket did you use? 8993 felpro?

Also, did it fix your problem that you thought was an injector?

[93mustang2.3t]

Yes it did fix the problem and it was the $10 head gasket.

[93mustang2.3t]

I AM SO FREAKING TIRED OF MY CAR RIGHT NOW IT JUMPED TIMING!!!! and that isn't even the worst part I can't get the timing right again even tho I have used the marks and every thing I even tried the wire method with the **** cams and it still isn't working!!!!

[Silver91Hatch]

Please use some periods and commas next time. It makes my head hurt less when I read what you wrote.

What "jumped timing" Cam or ignition.
How do you know it jumped time?
Use the timing marks, piston #1 to TDC and line the cam sprocket notch up with the timing marks on the timing belt rear cover. At that point the cam lobes will be on their base circles.
What is the wire method??
And I think I found the problem, you only have one cam, not cams, lol.

[93mustang2.3t]

That is my problem I have no marks I have the ones on the crank pulley and the timing pulley. but none on the covers cause it is broken.

[Silver91Hatch]

If you remove the valve cover the cam lobes on the first cylinder need to be on their base circle. The crank keyway will be straight up, and the tooth inside the hole on the cam gear needs to be at the 5 o'clock position.

[93mustang2.3t]

So the crank mark needs to be straight up and down and the cam gear mark needs to be at 5 o'clock position.

[embler]

wire method? you mean the string method? pull your #1 plug and bump it until its at the top on the compression stroke. mark on the crank pulley would be pointing straight up. the cam mark, as silver said, should be pointing in the 5 o'clock position. easy way to tell is to run a string from the cam mark to the center of the aux gear. it should be pointing straight to the center of the bolt that holds the aux gear on. then, pull you cap off and see if the rotor is pointing at #1 and very close to it. if its pointing straight at it, its at zero *. if its not pointing at it, then rotate the aux or dizzy to get it there. then put the timing belt back on making sure the gears(or pulleys) don't move. do you not have either cover on your motor? you need both to get the timing right.

[93mustang2.3t]

MY crank pulley doesn't point straight up at TDC it's at about the 45* past pointing straight up everything is lined up the car doesn't start I have gotten it to start once and it runs like sh*t won't go above 600rpms if i hit the throttle it dies. When my car jumped timing I got it to run right and got the car home then tried to get it perfect and now it won't start at all.

I've got spark and fuel for sure.

[embler]

MY crank pulley doesn't point straight up at TDC it's at about the 45* past pointing straight up everything is lined up the car doesn't start I have gotten it to start once and it runs like sh*t won't go above 600rpms if i hit the throttle it dies. When my car jumped timing I got it to run right and got the car home then tried to get it perfect and now it won't start at all.

I've got spark and fuel for sure.

if it isn't pointing straight up, then you either not at tdc or either you are but on the exhaust stroke.

[93mustang2.3t]

What exhaust stroke on the crank I thought you could only be on that on the cams.

[93mustang2.3t]

well I noticed that when I was trying to start the car the revs were jumping to 1000-1500rpms.

[embler]

nope, the motor has an exhaust stroke and a compression stroke. here's what you can do to assure the piston is at the very top. using a socket on the crank bolt, to turn the motor over. pull the plugs out (all of them, makes it easier to turn the motor by hand). using a screwdriver, put it into the spark plug hole on #1. turn the motor over slowly. when the piston starts getting to the top, the screwdriver will start getting pushed out. after it has reached the top and its starting to go back down, the screwdriver will start to go back in as well. soon as it does this, turn the motor back the other way until the piston is at the top. its not a good idea to turn it backwards a lot. so if you turn way past it, keep on going until its at the top again. when its on the compression stroke, the mark on the crank pulley will point up and if it doesn't, then you are on the exhaust stroke. you motor is actually a 4 stroke motor. the cam doesn't have an exhaust or compression stroke.

[93mustang2.3t]

Well I turned it 360* and it didn't do a thing.

[embler]

Well I turned it 360* and it didn't do a thing.

did you recheck your cam and aux gears? recheck your dizzy?are you sure it jumped timing?

[93mustang2.3t]

Yes because I drove it home and it ran fine I pulled the timing and it won't run now.

[embler]

Yes because I drove it home and it ran fine I pulled the timing and it won't run now.

what do you mean "pulled the timing"? did you check for spark and fuel before tearing it all apart?

[93mustang2.3t]

It jumped timing while I was driving it I got it close drove it home and now I can't get it close again.

[embler]

only 2 ways it can skip timing. the belt jumped due to not enough tension or it broke or it sheared a few teeth. the dizzy gear can skip also. pull the dizzy and check the gear. they are known to go bad. verify that you are getting spark. before you do this. the tfi could have went out also.

[93mustang2.3t]

I am getting spark and I am getting fuel pulled the plugs and watched them they all sparked and when I pulled them they were loaded on fuel.

[93mustang2.3t]

Should I just set it to BTDC?

[93mustang2.3t]

Well I got her running YAYAH but it still needs to be adjusted the exhaust valve is opening a little too early letting all the pressure out so I need to turn the cam back about a tooth.

[93mustang2.3t]

Well I took the Cam gear and the aux gear and turned them counter clockwise a tooth and she runs better than before now the boost hits sooner and when your spinning an HY35W I need that hitting roughly 12psi at 3500rpms in 2nd. CHA CHING LOL.

[embler]

have you re-torqued the head yet?

[93mustang2.3t]

Yes last week when I fixed my valve cover gasket again.